https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvH8vus0IpU ˧

Inhaltsverzeichnis dieser Seite Intro    Kirchbach    Telework Problematique reiterated    Franz Steinwender and Kirchbach continued    Videobridge, Prowiki, Patterns, Helmut Leitner    Wildalpen    Grundtvig Workshop, DorfUni    The fate of Kirchbach    New Places: Neuberg and Pielachtal, Holiwork Hotels    Closing with Peace Prayer

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Intro

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	okay and then I'll just make sure that Zoom pays to me and then I'm going to say I am Andrew kowas this is math for
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	wisdom with France Narada in where are you France right now I'm right now in
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	bad ratas Borg uh it's a a city not a city it's a town uh here is the view
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	from my house I have a little hotel and
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	maybe we're able to look even at the at the oh wow you are yes at the uh City
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	Hall tower that is that is actually uh a small historic town which which I found
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	very attractive as a place for getting old you know uh and so France is in a village uh
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	at the very edge of Austria near uh Slovenia and um he's a Pioneer in the
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	global village movement um I've been recording his uh life story as such a
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	champion of global villages with a special interest in how he figured things out as a Visionary ˧
 

Kirchbach

	so uh France
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	uh please continue with your story yeah I have no idea where we
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	actually uh what we covered last time it's time is bleeding but uh but I'm
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	pretty sure that uh I did not mention Kirchbach
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	no you did not yes okay so actually that happened
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	uh around uh already around 1995 I had started a
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	uh a contact to a guy who was like a a twin for me like a like a soul brother
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	Fran Stein vender and we met uh this early days 199 5 96 at the student
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	internet Congress in uh in Bad Kleinrircheim
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	there was a skiing Resort uh with a very Visionary guy
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	unfortunately he is dead now he passed away few years ago Arin
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	venik and uh he was uh he was a kind of
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	practical Visionary and he was was organizing this students internet Congress uh and uh I was also there as a
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	speaker and I could uh tell the audience about my experiences up to that point in
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	time and there was this recent impression from U mayorca and this
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	telework issues and uh so after the after the uh
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	uh Speech uh a student or he was actually not so much a student
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	and a practical graphic artist came to me and he said did you just say if it's
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	possible to do my work from any point in the world where I'd like to
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	be and I said yes that's what I wanted to to to say and uh
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	um and uh he said I would like to go to Greece and I remembered a guy in in
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	uh George kiras said whom I met at the Telework conference in in mayorca and who
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	had said we can do the same thing and maybe we have even better resources in Greek greed you know they had a kind of
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	sort of funny competition with a mayorca people and uh and he said uh we are
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	building up an environment for teleworkers around the Science Park in
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	Iraklion so I told this to uh this young a guy uh um and uh actually that was the
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	beginning of a lifelong friendship you know like a Brotherhood you know it
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	seems that he was sent to me by Destiny to become the person trying all all my
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	mad ideas in in in in reality so the first thing he did he went to uh to
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	creit and he was my practical Avatar in in in in studying the ups and downs and
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	the pros and cons of telework and uh it was really very very
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	uh teaching for me you know and and and part of my goodbye to tell work uh
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	basically stemmed from all this practical experiences that he told
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	me uh ˧
 

Telework Problematique reiterated

	next thing uh and may I just ask so what what is the goodbye to Tork you
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	know what did you think before and what did you think after regarding Tork 
        I theought the main thing that uh would bring
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	people to Villages would be this opportunity of remote work you know uh
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	as as a as a way to to stay connected to the cities and uh in the course of This
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	Global Village conferences uh uh Tork played a big role in 1995 1996 uh and
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	then uh in 1997 uh there was this Fant
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	fantastic appearance of Kim feltman and his speech about
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	culture and which which threw my mind
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	around you know uh I saw the heat in the audience and and I I I felt maybe this
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	is a much bigger motivation to connect Village and city than the than the
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	simple work issue because you get marginalized uh when you go out of the of the central office in the city and
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	you are somewhere else mhm not present anymore but if you think it the other way around that you can
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	have access to the all the museums libraries archives of the world from the
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	village that was the birth of this Monastery idea by the way we we talked about it last time this distributed
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	culture to say that if the culture of the world was distributed across Villages exactly if it it kind of is in
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	a certain sense historically it is in some but it could be it could be more so
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	yeah and that led also to cult age the the European presidency event and all that the M Monastery and so on but this
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	and just just and just for our listeners and for me to note and maybe for you that like to emphasize that you're a
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	Visionary like 30 years later let's say or well maybe 25 years later you know we
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	all experienced the covid pandemic and so we saw some of these things come into
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	play like I mean it's it's measurable how the size of New York reduced let's
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	say uh and people yeah people moved to
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	smaller towns Villages or they had a chance to move to places where they wanted to live doing telea work so it's
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	a real thing that was at the very Cutting Edge when you were um when you
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	were fascinated by the impation we we kind of anticipated that
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	in 1996 and so on uh and uh I saw that
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	uh the the Tork issue uh is not one that people feel comfortable with we had a we
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	had a wonderful talk by a guy named Eric Britton from
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	Paris uh who is uh very much into sustainable Transportation things like
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	that and he said telework is the harbinger of the of a kind of sort of
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	transformation in the whole work areas so we we we should not think that uh
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	that it is simply uh is simply the company and its satellites Will Will Survive but uh but it's going to be uh a
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	push into into kind of uh Independence uh and and uh the way to be uh more an
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	entrepreneur than than an employee and things like that you know so we
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	anticipated all that and uh and now we have seen things like uh I I don't know
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	was it Amazon or some big corporations they they call back the employees to the central office after pandemics and
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	things like that you know it seems that it is not a really sustainable way of
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	organization uh but this is just beside this is on a side yes
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	so and uh let me just continue why I
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	brought this up this this this this France uh story ˧

Franz Steinwender and Kirchbach continued

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	uh later on when we had this Monastery
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	Affair what does he do he goes uh and visits uh Dominican
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	monasteries and he gives me inside views of the monastic life how it is in
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	reality so it's it's almost a reality check uh and and uh he was really the
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	guy who who was fascinated by my ideas but who who always brought up interesting twists you
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	know um and the next twist came in 2003
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	2004 uh so the the time we stopped last time when he came to me and
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	said um we have been offered to uh to buy a building in our village
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	which is a a former court building you know this this
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	this has a long history rooting back in 1848 when the farmers Liberation meant
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	that the jurisdiction went away from the from the nobility to to the to the
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	bureaucracy so uh and and that was welcomed and and some communities uh
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	even built cour cour houses uh to to uh to get this freedom from the surom you
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	know and and so this is this is a very interesting symbol it is a it is it was
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	as big as Carolina of almost you know had it had three stores and it was used
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	by uh yeah by by the state but they didn't have complete use for it it was
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	uh the the the court went away to the district town of feldbach feldbach is like a big
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	attraction Point here in the region so um the building was idle and
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	uh and France asked me what do you think uh should we buy the building I
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	think we should uh we can bring our workplaces really to the Village we are all
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	self-employed uh jurk matzer is a is is a is a has a brokerage for insurances we
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	have a lawyer we have a we have people who are giving fantastic internet
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	support to have internet companies like Peter Maya things like that you know so
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	um I said yes uh fantastic idea and there was there was this my heart was
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	jumping with joy you know ah finally finally we have a chance to to create a
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	a place where people with a with a Peter mea was a central figure because he was
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	he was an internet wizard you know and and also H matah who was a very strong
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	uh networker um so we we have the chance to have a uh to have have a a village with
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	a kind of global village attitude and said okay there is only one thing I request yeah build a flying classroom
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	into the into the whole uh so that means
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	uh try it out uh what I have in theory what I have in mind that you can go
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	anywhere we have this we have this book by Eric Kastner the flying classroom in
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	the in this book from from the 50s it's an airplane and the class is moving physically to other countries you know
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	to to to learn like uh like learning should be learning should be traveling you know that that that is that is
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	obvious but I said the flying classroom 2.0 is a room that is equipped with a
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	video projection uh um device and uh and and and a camera
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	so you can you can have Broadband communication with other places we you can go to Every University in the world
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	to every place where there's an interesting thing happening you know and it was also something not very common in
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	in in in in even in 20 four I mean Ted was yet to come or
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	things like that you know the the big and and just just as a reference point these are the years when like 1994 1995
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	was when let's say AOL just was starting up in America
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	Online was just starting up we are one century we one decade later we are oh this I'm sorry this is okay right so
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	this is 2004 okay so internet was uh but even in the Villages I I think even in
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	that time um for many villages in Europe uh it was still difficult to have your
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	own uh internet at home or Broadband was still a dream okay Broadband right so this
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	idea of having instead it was like modems it was through modems like that and and and and Peter Meer was very proud to offer us a
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	dedicated 2 megabit line okay at that time you know that was the Holy Grail
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	you know so you could really transmit video you could have a live video right okay so this was pre video internet
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	maybe to put it that way not the beginning of video internet right so
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	uh and uh
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	and yes uh as always France made it possible he convinced his yeah we have
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	to build in a little village education center and
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	uh then the the question is what do we start with and uh and at at the same
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	time I was already giving uh I had already given a speech in the other end
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	of Austria and it is that is uh in for alberg the
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	Western most where we are here at the very southeast of Austria K is K is far from rasur so the
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	distance is uh is uh quite big like 500 kilometers something like that you know
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	it is hard to reach mhm so I had given in 2003 I delivered a
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	speech called the vision of global Villages and uh and in this in this
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	video I tried to explain what a global village would look like that it had
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	something like JP silvi from Italy called the Patza telematica a public
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	meeting place where you have all kind of services uh um mediated by remote
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	connections like education healing jobs uh work as as as just one sector but but
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	culture is very important and so on Leisure what you you you name it you
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	know you have a place a physical place a Patza but the the sides there are a lot
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	of stores where you can where you can shop into into into any kind of support
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	and connection that you want and U this Patza telematica was
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	like a like a mantra you know and uh
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	so and then I had the the great luck to be invited the second time to the to the
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	to the biannual conference day of utopia and that was very special because they
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	had only five speakers in the week and each speaker had the whole evening and the next morning um and I chose a new
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	subject which was uh the power of of Open Source and uh
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	and I I negotiated with with the people in filberg that we would make a connection between kbak and uh oh abast
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	you know the the the Inus which is a which is a a dedicated big uh building's
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	house educational facility uh close to the church Catholic church and so this was a
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	live video Bridge right this was the first live video bridge that we did
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	um and uh and this was with Kirk Buck um when the in the house that they bought
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	or not the house that we bought in the education center that on the second floor MH in the in the second floor and
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	believe it or not they had 1,500 visitors during this week in s abas
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	inberg and managed to bring I think it was up to 800 people the house had in
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	the in the second floor that you say they had several rooms so the demand was
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	so big you know see this for the first time that they they they they they kind of transmitted the the the the the the
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	stream to to to other to other room so people could watch it physically you know wow it was it was an instant smash
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	success you know and uh and uh and of course uh they they said okay we want to
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	make kbak the first Global Village uh and uh but they did not
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	do a kind of sort of closer definition of what by meant by Glo Global Village
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	and when they when they had uh this uh this Stan moving together of small
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	communities to merge them they said Each one is a global village and I said no uh
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	a global village is a village that is dedicated to Global Communication uh maybe even in a in a
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	particular sphere or theme but it must uh it must uh it must put an emphasis on
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	the place of connectedness to the world anyway that was after all that was it
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	was the beginning of several years of of video bridging as you say and uh and you would drive like four
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	hours I think from Vienna to um kcko which is past Gratz so Gratz is a famous
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	Austrian it is it is a little bit difficult to reach it is the same distance as grat but not on the
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	freeway a little bit through the valley Valley and so you
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	were consistently driving there visiting um supporting several times I kind of sort
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	of was the invisible fifth or sixth person in the team yeah uh and they they
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	adopted my version and the the every flyer they put out they put a quotation
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	of mine you know telecommunication will change the world in a deeper way than
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	the automobile oh that was kind of sort of the the the the
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	motto that they they put uh in their in their in their fly and uh it was a big
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	hope of course uh um and uh we did a lot of very interesting stuff and you you
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	have visited them so you know yes I've been at least maybe three times for sure so and thanks to
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	you and maybe maybe just to emphasize like this was a time and I was reaching out or ganizing independent thinkers um
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	um and often inspired and guided by you but there was this these two paths one
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	is where everybody would get their own internet or like even in the library let's say you would have an internet
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	Center let's say so instead of having your own computer your own internet you might go to the library and then work
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	for an hour or two like this internet cafe type approach but what you were championing was neither home access nor
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	this type of internet cafe but where you have a video bridge where it's Community with community so a lot of
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	what we experienced in the pandemic with zoom rooms which are um the word well autistic in a in a
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	just a very neutral sense but to say like you know we're we're in boxes we don't have social cues we don't we can't
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	we don't see how we're all fitting in the room so this idea of like how bodies are arranged and the cues that you get
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	from that uh that is instant anous you get to see that in a video Bridge just
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	like you would in a you know in a in a a painting of people sitting together you get to see the arrangement you get to
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	see the social cues you get to see that uh which we lose when we're all in Little Boxes and cubicles so um you were
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	emphasizing the importance of that it just wasn't clear I think um where does that really click you know
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	like when do we really like so now we've learned that it's a value but we still haven't really learned like what does
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	that give us uh because it's a language that's not explicit we're not really
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	familiar with how that language works right the the the the grammar and the patterns of of online
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	communication that was beginning to uh to absorb my mind more and more you know
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	uh so the first thing I I experienced is
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	that uh it is not enough to have uh one pillar
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	Bridge you know you have to have two pill pillars at least so uh very soon or
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	I I I I discovered there was something missing and that was um other Villages
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	that go the same way and uh ˧
 

Videobridge, Prowiki, Patterns, Helmut Leitner

	so the the people in kbak
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	were a little bit mad at me uh because I I shifted my attention to
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	other places mhm but they did not understand that it was
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	because for them to thrive it was necessary other villages to go the same
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	path otherwise it would be it would it's like having one fax machine you know you
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	can send yourself faxes you know it's not very not very valuable and there's a in Silicon Valley there's this law of
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	the quadratic um you know that a network grows in value quadratically so each
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	time you add a new fax machine the value of the network grow by the number of fax
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	machines already so it's it's growing quadratically it's a powerful Network effect yeah and the person that totally
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	understood that Vision was on one side Helmut Lightner a guy from Gratz whom I met uh
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	through his call for a Founders Wiki you know uh so Helmut was uh heavily
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	involved in software development vment and uh and uh one of his
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	masterpieces was a software called provi which I adore you know because it it it
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	reminded me in its internal structure of hyperart uh an uh a kind of sort of inheritance
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	tree of properties that allows you to te to to to to uh um to give properties to pages
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	or even whole branches of pages uh doesn't matter the design the layout the
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	language uh uh you can you can uh do a kind of programming of of this
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	information you can shape it uh you can you have a in you have even a a command
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	language built in so it's it's it's a very powerful structure and and the key
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	you know so my laboratory M just ended up using uh relying on helmet you know
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	for for prowiki um inspired by you and uh the key technological feature was
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	that uh instead of U going one level of sub Wiki where you have like let's say
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	slash and so I use pmwiki it has one level where you can have sub wikies within a Wiki but it's able to go slash
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	slash slash slash as deep as you want you can have sub wikies within sub wikies within sub wikies and so it's
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	like fractal in a certain sense and that is that is uh dis
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	advantage and Advantage at the same time because I imagined uh that would that
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	would host a lot of diversity Under One Roof you know like some people call
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	Wikipedia the the the headquarter of digital maoism
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	oh yeah you know uh uh centralism because it has only this this flat
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	structure uh whereas whereas provi was the exact opposite it was a place to to
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	to to Nest a lot of individuals in a in a in a kind of under Collective roof and
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	it shows like he really had an ontological mind you know 
         in terms of and then above and beyond this like you saying 
        there were all these U ways of
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	engaging the pages you know do you want to print it you know you these different views were possible uh which was very
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	powerful and I just to interject you know I'm maybe apologetic but as a networker I was trying to um organize
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	this Global community and I have an ontological mind myself and I have this kind of like Global Ambitions um but
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	what I ran into was that you know people need to invest in their own Brands so when you have your own um brand of Wiki
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	let's say your own domain I thought another solution is well what if we had the same Wiki but we
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	had different entry points into the same Wiki with different domains and what you know in principle that was supportable
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	by proii I think it was just um such a so he agreed to do that um but you know
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	that's such a costly in every way way of doing that it just became I I think I you you
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	became I caused I caused him great problems yeah and the negative side effect is that uh that after that he
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	said I will not support the the open source thought actively anymore you know
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	so I tried to talk him into constantly kind of sort of build up a v
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	a community and and try to to to make proi the the heart of a community and he
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	said after my experience with andreus I I decided that's that's not worth my
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	time because everybody thinks their own way and thinks like that you know yeah so that's you know so part of it's
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	personally with me but I can also say my own you know aside from helmet who is very really dedicated huge amount of
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	energy and hours but another was that I did not find um really any other person
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	you know maybe a little bit you but really no other person who would actually justify that type of investment
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	who said okay let's work on you know you have your brand I have my brand but let's work together like people are very
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	selfish and um and I think that that's um that's part of the equation okay
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	bracket closed yeah that was on the side without Helmut Helmut is also a very
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	important person in my life uh um it turned out that you you were the one to
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	to to to give me as a gift when you left the hotel you left me a gift which was
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	very precious for me that was that was the Lucker edition of Christopher Alexander's pattern language in
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	German and I I I value that gift a lot you know you you would see it is now
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	full with annotations and things like that uh and and interesting
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	interestingly enough Helmut became an event
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	for the same thought um I don't know he wrote yeah he wrote a book on pattern
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	languages in German he wrote One received one yeah well yeah I I I should
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	have it somewhere on the Shelf but but it wasn't prepared to to to present it but uh he also uh he also was interested
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	in uh in pattern work as a community and uh um he was an organizer of the purple
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	sock conferences no he was actually he was very very instrumental in setting
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	that up but uh but uh he became frustrated by this academic games played
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	around the purple sock and I don't want to go into it anymore they split up you know and I consider that also very very
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	sad but this is already a little bit in the future we're still in like maybe
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	just to say like he's an example of a very principled person 
        and there are many principled people or 
        and then there are also maybe some not so principled
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	people but that's a very complicated Dynamic um in some sense just maybe
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	couple G not say it's just challenging you know because it's a these are very real people okay so
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	Helmut Helmut uh is for me is the ideal
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	intellectual counterpart you know he has a totally different
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	uh cognitive framework that I have but in a way we we we we are able to
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	resonate again and again you know so at that point he resonated with my view on
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	kbak uh and he understood what I was up to and he even designed um the idea of a
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	uh we called it Association of places of access and learning for band from ort
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	so uh he he he he even made a fantastic PowerPoint? presentation showing all the
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	graphics all the achievements from kbak uh and uh how to how many places we
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	had connected one example was the bioversity that was just an evening
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	event hosted by Michael Naros slavski but uh that was reaching out to
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	biological Farmers the whole German speaking uh uh area Germany Austria
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	Switzerland and so on so uh gbak was the
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	the the place where the conference happened and in the evening there was a summary that was uh that was
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	streamed I think even in a way interactively streamed yeah uh to places
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	uh and that at that time we needed the help of the Austrian academic network uh
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	it was still the the academics was the the driving force the backbone of the internet at that time aconet and uh and
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	uh with the help of of of their multiplexing yeah abilities at that time
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	it was not uh it was not uh some American uh technology that we we or or
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	or or at least uh of course we use American Technology but it was it was
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	organizationally it was in the hands of the Austrian educ ation system um we
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	reach up to 60 60 yeah 60 uh
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	um points locations where they were either single people mostly communities
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	of farmers in their local environments it was organized by bio Austria uh
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	biological Farmers Association and I think it was the biggest success that kirbach ever had uh the days of Utopia
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	were spectacular but in terms of out reach you know this was this was a new dimension and Helmut was very aware of
	33:02
	that and he said we have to we have to create uh we have to create a a
	33:08
	widespread agreement between villages to share content so that was that was the point
	33:17
	where the whole video Bridge idea took off uh and uh and
	33:25
	uh I knew what I wanted to when I went for example to Wi
	33:31 ˧

Wildalpen

	ien wi ien is is is a spectacular Place
	33:37
	uh I would call it uh the 24th district of Vienna in a in a in an Alpine Village
	33:44
	in in heia um it is the place where the second Vienna water pip uh Aqueduct comes from
	33:56
	the it is uh it is uh a place where there is immense immense uh natural uh
	34:05
	uh reserves of of water and and and and all the time also uh running water so
	34:15
	um I went there with the intention uh of
	34:20
	uh creating something like KB you know and uh and at the beginning u i had a
	34:28
	good contact to the mayor and I I uh went there with with my my former
	34:34
	girlfriend with with an Rosa and uh and it was it was really
	34:40
	promising uh because also this had this connection to Vienna and
	34:46
	uh uh cut a long story short uh we made even a kind of sort of uh new activity
	34:55
	uh in in bu ien with a help of the of the Vienna uh City uh
	35:03
	uh the the the the energy and water infrastructure department or company uh
	35:10
	and they had a they had also a Broadband line along the the water pipe uh and so
	35:18
	uh I had I made a video Bridge uh trans uh transmitting I I think uh um it was
	35:28
	it was the it was I don't know the fifth or sixth days
	35:34
	of Utopia from four alberg uh in a in a in an office of the
	35:39
	city of Vienna in wi in 1,500 meters above sea level and it was it was very
	35:46
	interesting and I remember it's it's really worthwhile because I asked people
	35:51
	what could motivate you uh to to to desire such a connection this
	35:57
	possibility to to to to be somewhere else and the young mother said you know this would be fantastic
	36:07
	because I cannot go to the to the uh children's ballet uh training in the in
	36:13
	the in the in the state Opera with my children because when I I have to go go
	36:19
	home it's too late you know so but my children could at least watch and and
	36:25
	and and take in you know uh this this uh this training yeah another guy said wow
	36:32
	that would have me saved 10 thousands of driven kilometers because I could have taken all the theoretical part of my
	36:39
	electrician uh uh education in this way so I I again F felt that education was
	36:47
	the most motivating part of the whole thing so to cut a long story short it
	36:53
	took uh it took another 10 years no uh
	37:00
	um I had from Von uh in V I had exhausted myself in a particular time of
	37:09
	winter which which caused me uh uh big heart problem and which led to a
	37:16
	heart surgery in 20 December 2007 so that changed again the course of my life
	37:23
	in a dramatic way and I could tell you more about uh about
	37:29
	this P invisible intelligence things like that but but later on uh I always
	37:37
	pursued that idea of U of uh of using this video Bridge ˧
 

Grundtvig Workshop, DorfUni

	we even had a grun
	37:44
	workshop uh streaming sharing learning you remember with uh with even Lithuanian
	37:53
	participants I mean I'm I remember that we had a video we were part of your
	37:59
	video Bridges um uh project there was a European project we participated in
	38:05
	remember the title the title doesn't click but certainly the activities click
	38:10
	yeah I think that was in 2010 or so maybe 2007 actually
	38:17
	uh UHD out in 2007 uh or 2008 maybe to 2006
	38:25
	something okay and anyway it was all the time this was resurfacing you know mhm
	38:33
	and uh eventually uh I I partnered with
	38:39
	uh with sustainable Europe Research Institute frit hinderberger and uh he
	38:45
	said you know what let's create a village University let's call it dorf
	38:52
	[Music] uni and that although it was not with
	38:57
	Fritz but but uh uh Fritz gave me the the the initial impulse in in 2016
	39:04
	2017 toh to start Adventure Village University DF uni and that is the actual
	39:12
	brand that we still using to to uh to promote this idea of video bridge in in
	39:20
	a more mature way so we did uh actually in in in the year 20
	39:27
	2020 we we had a premere uh uh in in
	39:32
	Gratz um in in in Forum St Park and we connected six
	39:38
	communities um the the idea was to
	39:44
	create a kind of uh joint uh learning experience from one side from a very
	39:52
	prolific and and and and and and sensitive academic MH
	39:57
	and on the other side from a from a a practical implementation uh experience
	40:05
	point of view so we had Helga Grom and and Leo kichka from the transition Town
	40:12
	frza 2020 talk about how can we meet the challenge of climate change in our
	40:20
	communities so that was and that was trans transmitted to to six locations
	40:25
	and was that was really really again a very hopeful beginning um and we did in the covid
	40:32
	years of course few days later the covid regime the lockdowns and everything forced us to be uh uh to be remote and I
	40:40
	think that was from the very beginning our biggest handicap that everybody was getting going remote and our idea of the
	40:47
	physical coming together was was not possible oh not possible just medically
	40:53
	right you couldn't um you couldn't be in the same room so so we we we lost our
	40:58
	unique sales proposition if you wish you know our unique point where we where we
	41:04
	wanted to go I ˧
 

The fate of Kirchbach

	I want to um ask about the fate of Kirk poach um because there
	41:09
	were so many things um that were assets uh namely um most importantly maybe a
	41:17
	strong team with people with different interests and skills uh who seemed to you know I mean they were they were
	41:23
	working together as a team uh they had a maybe that site was simply too large U
	41:29
	but um but they had a site uh but there was something missing some kind of
	41:35
	ingredients I I mean partly one seemed to be connection with the surrounding uh residents they were
	41:42
	not maybe resident or supportive in the ways that would have made a huge difference partly they themselves didn't
	41:49
	quite have a vibrant vision of what they're doing why they're doing it um
	41:57
	you know so then it just kind of became about economic sustainability or something I'm just not quite sure so I'm
	42:03
	wondering what you would say like what was the such it is as such to put it in
	42:10
	three words they went broke they went broke okay and it was also because their
	42:16
	internal cooperation was waning know they they be uh a little bit uh missos
	42:23
	they started to be a little bit suspicious of each other
	42:28
	and uh so uh they they had the energy to do this
	42:34
	huge achievement of getting the building yeah they had um really um Hans yor
	42:40
	moner like a master networker business person who really you know understood how to run a business uh and
	42:48
	and he was not the only one you know I think Peter Meer like you say others uh were they were all successful you know
	42:54
	they were all kind of capable entrepreneurs JK and and and and and Peter which which was kind of the death
	43:02
	of the whole thing you know okay kind of sort of yeah and then tragic tragically
	43:08
	enough uh Haner uh was aware of that he had
	43:15
	limited time to live with a Cancer and he also started to uh so he's
	43:22
	passed away is that pass away okay I'm sad to hear but you know his last years he spent uh very much in uh in in funny
	43:32
	car races you know he he he just decided okay if I
	43:37
	have not to uh to to to live forever then I just do what I really love to do and that was driving races in the mud
	43:45
	you know so and so whether I mean in that Spirit but this whole Adventure
	43:51
	this was a real Adventure you know of global impact um and so I think you had these avatars
	43:57
	as you say like you know people because you had a vision that people could run with actually basically that was my
	44:03
	situation from the year 200000 on you know I I had to work with avatars I had to I had to uh bu was a big
	44:13
	exception uh but but uh but basically the the the most uh uh promising way of
	44:21
	of getting things done was have other people do it uh be very
	44:27
	very much very closely in contact with them advising them and I should have stuck more to this
	44:34
	mode I probably would have saved a lot of of of energy and even my health you
	44:40
	know because because this this whole thing in and I've systematized your you
	44:45
	know prelim in a preliminary way your ways of figuring things out and there is this whole adventuresome side of France ˧

New Places: Neuberg and Pielachtal, Holiwork Hotels

	44:51
	you know kind of going through this three site you know just being interested in visiting uh traveling
	44:58
	seeing things uh going on pilgrimages but so that that all works with somebody else in your place so to
	45:05
	speak in some way a lot of that um continues in that way and after I did
	45:11
	nober on the MS that was a big old cian Monastery which was which was kind of
	45:18
	sort of uh desecrated by Joseph II and it was bought by a wealthy person and
	45:26
	friends of mine uh wanted to do something there uh to um
	45:31
	create this uh new way of working called Holly work you know and and uh I
	45:39
	remember that that's right and then I did uh also worked extensively with with
	45:45
	uh Hans Vice in pakar who has a big hotel so uh that was that was also the
	45:51
	beginning of uh kind of externalizing myself in various hotels and 
	uh and and in part this is
	45:59
	because you yourself uh and your family were Hotel owners and managers and so and I was hotel director from 2000 from
	46:06
	the death of farmers year to 2015 when uh I went to the last biggest depressive
	46:13
	episode because this hotel could not be maintained
	46:19
	financially and a Historic Hotel one that your father ran
	46:24
	um with note and um mhm was built practically by my great-grandfather and
	46:31
	oh wow story is as always it is kind of a glorious Uprising in in the florids
	46:38
	dorf neighborhood of Vienna across the danu from the main part of the city migrants from from from
	46:46
	Bohemian Czech origin uh to to uh
	46:52
	workers working class to entrepreneurs you know that was that was the beginning
	46:57
	of the family history and and this idea of like existing resources like this hotel like where you talk about Vienna
	47:03
	as a mother city for global Villages where you talk about uh uh how um you know a lot of these
	47:11
	themes were coming and then I think the personal Dynamics within your own family like what does it mean if you have a
	47:17
	vision but other people don't you know they see more realistically or they just see you know they just don't want to see
	47:22
	this way um the same personal Dynamics in k I experienced in my own village you
	47:28
	just the dimensions of personal interconnection the closer you are you
	47:34
	know in a tighter environment a smaller environment simply the more you
	47:40
	appreciate the human dynamics like just how many things there's involved in
	47:46
	human life that can just turn everything upside down you know from falling in love to uh to
	47:53
	um people's uh you know health or or or or situations with work or just
	48:00
	um everything there it goes personality conflicts so is this um is this the sum
	48:07
	of your life I think this is a brief summary is there this is this is another
	48:12
	episode of my life and I think we have uh we have another one to do is that right to talk about yes okay so and then
	48:21
	any maybe uh more words about this episode in terms of this summary this one was really about video bridging was
	48:28
	the big theme I think right video bridging was a big theme and uh maybe also the
	48:34
	the uh the effort to find out how must we what kind of local
	48:44
	environment do we have to create um and here we are it's almost a
	48:50
	preview situation in the in the in the world of thoughts of Christopher
	48:56
	Alexander to create to create this aliveness you
	49:01
	know in livingness whatever you call because his his whole books his books are like what makes a building alive
	49:08
	what makes a neighborhood alive and that why are professionals building uh houses
	49:13
	and buildings and neighborhoods that are just basically dead that make people feel dead and what's what's that all
	49:18
	about so he he addresses that and so um what would your next episode be about
	49:25
	can you give a preview yeah the next episode would be u a pattern language of global Villages uh
	49:33
	the the various um attempts to summarize my life you know uh in in in in terms of
	49:41
	a pattern language not only of global Villages but also the foreseeable social
	49:48
	changes or the the ones that I desire you know for example pattern language of
	49:54
	demonetization how can we uh truly abolish money as the connection point
	49:59
	between us and uh and shift to intense communication as a connection point
	50:05
	between us and and just um just reflecting on what you said today um and I think of
	50:13
	maybe Kirk is it fair to say like Kirk Bach was a huge uh experiment in your life perhaps maybe the central one I
	50:21
	absolutely okay just and just to honor like the team put in a huge effort in their lives they really uh they really
	50:28
	um and they really um pursued your vision I mean you know so and you know
	50:33
	one the irony of that is that Peter Meyer is now in Cyprus oh okay like like
	50:42
	also my friend G burer who who coined who created this peace Village vision is
	50:49
	now in Samos well so I'm sitting here in cold
	50:55
	Austria and you are too I think so what from this period in your life that you
	51:00
	talked about uh what are the Lessons Learned you know like where you thought things might go one way but it you know
	51:05
	you decide like what the reality taught you otherwise what would you say are key Lessons
	51:12
	Learned as I said um it is it is a difficult Act of
	51:19
	balance between uh um not getting on this in this trap of of of
	51:27
	making things depend on on you for example Village University I created a
	51:32
	team it fell apart it's it's it's it's me again you know and and and and and uh
	51:39
	I should really really really look what people really want to do and try to to
	51:44
	find a way to uh connect to their own motivation instead of talking them into
	51:51
	something because when I'm not in depression you know you you you see have
	51:56
	a silver tongue and it is dangerous yeah so that's the that's the disadvantage of
	52:03
	being very handsome or being very you know persuasive or being very you know friendly you know that you're rolling
	52:10
	balls uphill so and they don't want to they they would like to roll uphill but maybe they they have trouble rolling
	52:16
	uphill ˧
 

Closing with Peace Prayer

	so I'll try to keep that in mind um I would like to end with a prayer uh maybe I can say a prayer but what would
	52:23
	you what would you want in the prayer well
	52:31
	uh I think I think we have to Aspire and we have to
	52:40
	desire for peace you know we are in the most dangerous situation although we are
	52:47
	trying to escape to the past but our present is the most dangerous uh that
	52:53
	has ever existed on this planet I'm deeply convinced we're at at the very
	52:59
	brink of of of of of World War I and uh we should we should pray
	53:09
	for for a turning of events and uh a kind of sort of growing of
	53:18
	visionary wisdom the regrowing of visionary wisdom that has been uh so much
	53:27
	depleted in the last years okay I pray with you I hope we all
	53:33
	can pray with you peace and
	53:38
	love thank you ˧